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If we are approaching the singularity, this is all going to happen so much faster than we could ever imagine. The idea of thinking in a 50 year time frame right now is so that is such a long. That's like linear thinking. We're about to experience an exponential for the first time in humanity. And so I, I think Bitcoin's value, whether it becomes the, the payments infrastructure of the world or the self sovereign, you know, savings vehicle that you exchange it for stables or, you know, the thing that that doesn't change is that its value is going to grow on a, you know, in a closer, you know, an ever closer connection of 1 to one between the technological deflation that is created in Bitcoin's buying power. It all comes down to computers. Communicating the information superhighway can be a confusing mix of on ramps and off ramps. Bitcoin is worthless artificial gold. Is it still rat? Poison. Probably rat poison squared. We need to get into the world of OK, this is actually foundational technology. What the Internet of Money does is it creates a single network which can do a microtransaction to a giga transaction. The Internet is going to be one of the major forces for reducing. The role of gun. The one thing that's missing that that will soon be developed is a reliable E cash BC like veteran trick where you're just like you late, you're late. Then I'm going to use this next time be like I'm in the meeting and then they'll be like what? What do you mean? I'm like, oh, the wrong link. I like jump in and then they then people believe it. But that makes sense that fucking Google meet always messes. It messes me up for other. Things No, my bad. No, Liam, you, you sent it. I, I, I just didn't see it in the in the thread. My bad. How you doing? Good. Good to see you Cam. It's been a while. I was looking back, the last time you were on the show was May of 2025, think the Bitcoin price was, was comfortably over 100K Lots, lots has changed. Lots has happened over the, over that time period. I was, I was mentioning to Liam before you guys joined Today is Groundhog's Day. It does feel kind of apropos, you know, back in the 70s hanging out, chopping around. But good to have you back on. It's been too long since we caught up. How you doing man? I don't even want to. I don't even want to. Hear. My whatever my predictions will last on the last spot. Yeah, one a year. You know, this is, it's not for the faint of heart. But the weird thing is, is it it feels like, you know, I was telling somebody the other day I was like, I didn't anticipate the scenario where I got every single thing that I wanted to happen happen except Price. Yeah, that didn't, that didn't register. So I. Didn't even know we were recording. And then I realized like I meant it in that we were recording. I was flipping screens and. Welcome back to Final Settlement. We're we're back. You know not to like pour. You know what's a whatever on the the the wounds. On the salt, on the wound. Not to pour salt on the wound, but out of everyone I know, Cam might be the Bitcoin orange pillar of all orange pillars or attempted orange pillar, because I know there's a deep network that you have. And so there must be some real like we, we just forced to talk to people that are already in the industry that are interested or whatever. But you're out there, you know, doing the Lord's work, evangelizing. And I'm sure you've gotten some texts about like, what the Hell's going on? Oh yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm taking grenades. Yeah, Yeah, I have to deal with that because I, I, I've spent the last, I don't know, like, you know, well into the last three years it's been just an, an utter accept obsession of mine to just make sure that all my, you know, friends, family, loved ones have exposure, etcetera. And and it, it does weigh heavy when when you know, you can't, you can't teleport, you know, 10 years of exposure to an, to an asset into somebody that just got into it. And so it's like words aren't enough, you know, But I think I'd do a pretty good job of setting the expectation that this is, you know, very long. You know, it's a long term game, but. You just have to tell him non consensus, right? That's my business. Non consensus, right? And this is non consensus. I'm right. I'll take a step back and let's all relax. Yeah, I mean, that's yeah, exactly So his. Internet has been a little bit out, but you know, we've been working with each other so long that I probably finished the sentence that we saw. Everything happened from the new administration, all the tail winds except for Price, which has been pretty wild to see play out. I think everyone is a little shell shocked. I was joking with friends, mutual friends of ours that have been around this space for 5-10 years and they're in pain. And I was like, will it take a step back? Because I think what pain is really all relative, right? So when you're expecting all these things to come once the administration, once everyone's friendly to this and they don't, you're like, what the hell. Like you're, you start to have to recheck your, your priors and assumptions. And I was, I was telling him last night, take a step back and like, think about folks that came in the last five years, right? Because everyone see those numbers in 21. That was like 67 right around those all time highs. Five years later and you have all the crazy quantum and just everything else that happened over the weekend. We probably don't need to get into with the F Steam list. But the point being is there's probably real people right now being like, what the hell am I doing with my life? Is this thing actually a viable unit to be a world reserve currency? We obviously know it is. We obviously know nothing's changed, but we have to put ourselves back in that position. There's a lot of people questioning what's going on right now. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's what I go back to is nothing has changed. Literally nothing has changed that that what brought me to Bitcoin in the 1st place was the lack of counterparty risk. You know, in a, in a world that is just constantly changing, everything's changing. And then you have this, this thing that doesn't change. And so yeah, it's, it's frustrating, but you know, feature not a bug, right? The volatility of this thing is if it just went to 1,000,000 right now, that probably would that that wouldn't be a good thing and so be a good thing for us, wouldn't be a good thing for, you know, a lot of the people that that we want to have exposure so. Yeah, a lot of people I think are a little bit frustrated too, because the debasement trade went extremely mainstream. Everything that they've been talking about, about deficits that and understanding that there is just an an insane amount of fraud, waste and abuse in the system is out there. But they got the asset completely wrong. But there, there is some underlying reason and, and rationale to be a little bit excited, despite the fact that our, you know, asset class got did not benefit from it at all, which is just the fact that there are folks out there who are putting on this trade that are just putting on the trade that's, you know, probably larger than the market cap of Bitcoin as a whole right now. You know, they can't put on that same trade with Bitcoin because it either, you know, exposes who the counterparties are that are buying that much as well as just like it doesn't necessarily move the needle for them quite as much as buying gold in general. So it is, it's definitely a long game here, but it's, I think that's one of the things that frustrated a lot of people this year too. Yeah, well, I mean the correlation, the correlation between Bitcoin and gold is like non existent. And so I think it's like .15 or something I heard over the last seven or eight years. And so, you know, this was a reality that that I didn't think it would happen this way, but you know, gold running first, everything that we're seeing with fraud, I just feel like the every narrative is kind of pointing towards we can't trust institutions. And you know, I know that this is this is ultimately going to benefit, you know, the thing that is that is outside of all of all of those things. And then, you know, with what I do every day, spend my time on with, with investing in, in technology companies, you know what, what's happening and what is about to happen over the next few years is just going to make everything so much more relevant in the Bitcoin thesis. And and so, yeah, painful short term, but you know, nothing, nothing's changed. Yeah, that's where we're excited to have you on. We've been getting more into traditional tech, traditional investing, how it's going to mirror into Bitcoin. So barely kick off with a lot of the things that have happened on the market structure, multiple tailwind for Bitcoin. One of the big ones obviously, which reference to basement fraud, corruption, counterparty areas. But then there's the other project that look that is positive. All these different tailwinds are priced in. Just last week, a great example. And we've covered it with Morgan Stanley. Like people see the headlines with Morgan Stanley, they don't realize they're going all in around building wallet infrastructure. Amy Oldenburg, we've known for a while she was head of their emerging markets practice. She'd been deeply interested in digital assets. She's not a joke. She's leading that practice. But a lot of other things we'll cover to kick off and then we'll go into some of the AI and what you're what you're doing at Brickyard because there I saw some interesting stuff. Today on LinkedIn. And what we might get a little distracted because there's some nude guys behind you, but we'll, we'll make sure to, you know, not to lose it. I don't know if you show there's a guy running around behind you with his shirt off. This is a. Mad Boss Brickyard is an absolute mad boss. I love it. Liam, where should we start? I know we lost Brian for a SEC, but we can go. Yeah, there's a there's a ton that's kind of happened over the past week or so. There are a couple big fundraisers, White House meeting this week regarding banking, crypto, next steps and legislation. We can either start there or with some of the fundraisers. Yeah, let's start there. What's your take at least in, you know, feel free to pass on any of these, but I think this is going to be a big deal. We've obviously seen it hang around from a market structure perspective. There's a lot of thoughts in the industry with what's going on around. The Clarity Act provides a lot of clarity, no pun intended, for the industry to kind of move forward. Any thoughts on that? Not really. Pass. Yeah. I think the, well, the main thing just to call out here is, you know, I think as last, as recent as last week, Polymarket added like 39% likelihood this year. And I don't see how it doesn't get passed this year in the sense of a lot of this has to do with the administration, what they need from stable coins, mainly treasuries, and then also being this quote UN quote, crypto digital asset leader. I think it gets passed probably in the first half of this year. And why that matters for anything we'll talk about today is because from a capital markets perspective, IP, OS firms, institutional investors, like this just adds more inertia into like this thing's not going away. There's more clarity on the actual market structure, SEC versus CFTC. So I do think it's a big deal from capital markets perspective and it's in the background. But I do expect this will be a positive catalyst for just more momentum if this thing actually gets through. Yeah. I mean one thing I will mention is, you know, we want this to pass, but we want it to pass. We want a good bill. And I think if, if we had just passed it to pass to pass it and the banks, you know, won the battle against stables and, you know, not being able to pass yield to, to to customer, you know, that would that, that would not be good. And I think Brian Armstrong, you know, it is, you know, think what you will, but I think he's right in that we, we've got to get this thing right. And there's a, there's a battle happening at the, at the top rung of, you know, the, the banks and, and, and stables and, and this needs to, this needs to be the right legislation. 100% I do think that's something we'll get passed because I think that there's a lot of demand to dollarize the world through stable coins and just the powers that be essentially really want that to happen. You know, we know all the situation about the debt and deficits and there are, you know, the gold going into the mainstream as much as that has been just because of the debasement trade and lack of trust in the US dollars and institution. And I think that this is definitely the way that that there is going to be a lot longer extension of the US dollar. And so I think that regardless of of what I would hope, I, I think it will probably get passed to us soon too. Brian, we were just covering up some of the market structure, Bill, but going into just to cover, we touched a little bit about this kicking off, but around it's pretty wild. 4 consecutive months read. I think only one other time in bitcoins history this has happened. And there was, you know, notes on sentiment from like even worse than Mount Cox. I think there's a lot of multiple things. There's multiple things happening from crypto really not having its bull run this cycle as compared to gold. So there's just that notion and then a lot of the expectations. They're like, what's your house year round? More like liquidity in general because gold just wiped off like between gold and silver, I think like 5 to $10 trillion in the past like 48 hours. Curious just how you're thinking about it from a flows perspective and like the analysis from Bitcoin the past couple months. Yeah. I mean, if you guys have seen the chart of like the divergent of basically M2 liquidity, which had been pretty tightly correlated with Bitcoin historically. There's just a massive divergent right now over the past four or five months. And all of these other asset classes have basically participated in that rally, whether it's stocks, gold, other precious metals, and it just really hasn't kept up with that. And I do think, you know, you guys just mentioned you were talking about the market structure, but I do think that that is a contributing factor that it was a known potential catalyst that that piece of legislation would be signed. And, you know, basically there's more debate internally and, and sort of hot button issues, particularly around the stablecoin stuff and, and the yield that is held that up. And I think in a lot of people's eyes that that that has been an overhang. The other thing I would mention is like, I do think it's just like people still anchoring to cycles and basically thinking like, you know, looking at the calendar and saying, oh, it's a it's now a bear market year. So basically trying to front run that trade to some extent. So I think there have been a lot of seller cell pressure due to that dynamic, but it is pretty astounding to see. You know, before I cut out earlier, what I was going to say was like, you know, that is the story of 2025 to me is like strengthening fundamentals underneath whether it's regulatory administration, infrastructure, a lot of companies going public, a lot of M&A activity, a lot of banking partnerships and integrations and price just hasn't been there. But that is that's kind of the story of investing in general, right? Like this notion of, you know, Benjamin Graham talking about the voting machine versus the weighing machine. The voting machine is short term thinking around, well, you know, basically looking at market news headlines, various things and ascribing that to price dynamics when over the long term it's really more of a weighing machine where like those fundamentals actually matter a lot more. And so I think it is just, you know, it's probably cliche at this point to say zoom out, but like that is genuinely kind of what is necessary at this point in time with, you know, being back around 80 K. The reality is like there the sort of urgency and need for a non sovereign decentralized digital store value asset is never stronger. And and I think you guys were talking a little bit about like, you know, just the deterioration in trust and institutions. I think like that is that was also the story of 2025 to me. And if you pair that with sort of Bitcoins fundamental value prop, it's it's never been clearer that we need something like Bitcoin to exist. And I think the inertia around gold makes sense. And we've talked about it like central bank sovereign stacking gold makes sense in in that they're just more familiar with it. It's it's what they're conditioned to stack in times of uncertainty, in times of institutional trust erosion. And so the bid hasn't been there for Bitcoin, but I think there's other overhangs, whether it's the four year cycle thinking a lot of the quantum FUD from the end of last year. Like there's things that have sort of been headwinds that again are short term in nature and sort of market noise. When if you're actually looking at like what this thing is deeply understanding it and the place that it, you know, can be positioned in this, this new world that we're headed to like it makes total sense. But yeah, the liquidity dynamics are interesting. Like, I think the other part of the sell off over the past few days was the naming of Kevin Walsh as as the new Fed chair, which people perceive him to be more hawkish than dovish. He's, you know, spoken out historically against quantitative easing. But on the other hand, you have his former boss, Stanley Drunkenmiller, who is a big Bitcoin bull, saying like, you know, calm down, don't think of him so much as a hawk. He's he's really tends to be more dovish and he is intends to cut interest rates as sort of Trump wants. So I think part of the reaction over the past week and some of the sell off has been attributable to that. But it's hard to parse. You know there's a lot of different variables at play right now. Cam, one of the things you mentioned is about the the $1,000,000 coin and and I truthfully believe where we sit today, this may even sound like coke, but like where we sit today provides a lot more of a view and Ave. to get to that versus just wanting to see a large number or what we think. Like I think everyone underwrites Bitcoin can be at 500 KA million, $5,000,000 because of the principles of finite scarcity as it relates to all of their assets. But what Brian alluded to and what we've seen and we'll talk about, we don't go through all of them, but a lot of like what it means to be a bank, stable coins, digitization of money, the debasement trade, sovereigns, right, because sovereigns are all competing with each other. And if gold is becoming, you know, as it relates to, you know, M1M2 or treasuries, a reserve asset, you can start to see how. Large pools are. Forming to come into this asset class and it just requires different catalysts, but it's the difference between being this nice, you know, 5-6 figure asset and actually being a strategic asset. Like we're not that far away from it. And so I'm curious like your thoughts on that. And one other thing just to add is we had Chris Piper on I think like 12 to 18 months ago and he he was referencing when he talks to institutional clients at Fidelity, I think this was in last bear market or whatever we're calling maybe 22 to 24. And he would say, if you just take away the price and you look at fundamentals, whether it's institutions coming in offering it, mining activity, transactions, whatever it is, you would think it's at all time highs. And so exact example here. If you just look at everything that's happened in vacuum, you would think that this price is 250,000 if you didn't know the numbers. So the delta is just waiting for the catch up. And that really ties into business building because I know we're holding Bitcoin mag, so we're looking at it from that lens. But imagine putting your founder hat on and if you could build products and services today, because people have to pay premiums on the BTC price for those goods because we know they're going to need it. It's just a very like opportune time to really be building infrastructure in this space. Yeah. I mean, I think that I mean the the way I am viewing, I may be jumping into jumping topics here, but I mean what we've always known about Bitcoin is it does the exact opposite of what everybody thinks including you know Bitcoin bulls that are certain about where things are going to go. I think I think the the only relevant forward-looking topic right now is what is about to happen to deflationary forces in the economy, not not just in the US, but everywhere on earth. And you know, I don't know if you guys watched the The Moon Shots podcast with Peter Diamandis you guys watch that is. That the one you sent the clip of the other day. Yeah. Did you watch that? I didn't, but I mean I saw the clip. OK, Well, my view is this like if whatever you think of Elon, Elon is at the upper rung of information privilege on Earth. It's like you if you know the Tiger Woods of 2010 for the like the world of like predicting the future without question, is Elon right? He has been able to see the future better than anybody else. He's obviously not just a philosopher, you know, he's an operator with companies in in robotics and AI. And what he's saying is we're entering the singularity now and over the next 2-3 years, the, the rate of acceleration that we're about to experience is going to be so entirely unprecedented that, that the governments all over the world are going to have to print more. He, he said like verbatim, he's like, these governments will not be able to print enough. The deflationary forces that are about to come with, with the cost of all software following the floor, cost of knowledge following the floor and then the introduction the humanoid robots, the the cost of actually moving atoms in meat space is about to fall to the floor. And he's predicting every optimist robot. I can't remember the timeline he set for it, but like inside something like inside of five years, he's saying every optimist robot is going to be a 10 times better than the best surgeon in any field, you know, with Micron level acuity on the, the actuators on this thing being able to perform surgery. Like, so he's saying like, you know, your optimist robot is going to be able to take your appendix out. And, and, and so when you enter a world where these humanoids are going to be able to, you want to build a house, you get the raw materials and humanoids are going to be able to build a house. You know, you want to fly an airplane, if it's not already flying itself, then optimists will be able to sit up in the front seat and take you anywhere you want to go. Like that's like the world that we're going to see not in 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, the next like 5-6 years, right? And, and so he, he started talking about this topic of universal high income. And basically what he's saying is, is governments are going to print more and more money. He he said, I don't think they're even going to be able to print enough money to offset the deflationary gains that we're going to see in the economy. So governments are going to be motivated doing this. So one, they don't default, but but two, there's going to be so much buying power that's created through deflationary forces that they can just create all this new money. And it's not just going to be given out as like basic income, like food stamps style. It's going to be given out in such volumes that everybody, you know, the, the, the, the basic, the, the low watermark in the world is going to be far, far higher than it is today. So being poor, you know, in seven years is not going to look anything like being poor today. And it's almost like this, you know, there's, it's like a socialist view of the, the future where governments are just going to be able to like give out welfare to everybody in, you know, exorbitant amounts. And the, the, the, the puzzling thing is Peter Diamandis is a like a hardcore Bitcoiner. And so he's saying all of these things and Peter, who's friends with with Elon, like it, if it were any of us in that, you know, on that show, we would be like sweat our palms would be sweating to start bringing up Bitcoin, right? And Peter didn't say anything about Bitcoin. And so that to me was a signal that for some reason, you know, Elon doesn't want to be talking about this because the reality is, if there's that kind of money creation that is coming, you know, if you are taking these, these credit card points that are being just, you know, blanketed out into, you know, across the economy and you put it into a scarce monetary asset. Well, that scarce monetary asset is certainly going to hold and grow its purchasing power faster than a monetary asset that is just being printed into oblivion, even though the baseline of of everyday living is is going to rise for everybody. But the thing that it that they're not discussing is like, you know, even in that world of universal high income, you know that UHI is not going to buy you a 5000 acre ranch on the coast of Kauai, right? Like it will not buy you. It's not like everybody on earth is. It will have equality of wealth. There will still be a disparity between, you know, the haves and have nots, but it's more going to look like the have nots of the future are going to be like the haves of today, right? And the and the haves of the future are going to be like, you know, unimaginably wealthy, right? The ability to do things we can't even imagine. And and so that's, if you buy into that, if you think that the, you know, AI, the AI genie is not going back in the bottle and this is the future. This kind of like connects the dots for me, given the conversation I had. I was up in Washington a few a few months months ago with David Sacks team talking about, I thought we were going to be up there to talk about the strategic Bitcoin reserve. And I, we, we ended up meeting with his, about half of his team for, you know, over an hour and a half. And all they wanted to talk about were stable coins. And, and so that kind of leads me into, OK, I think what is happening here is we have to have stable coins to have the velocity of money necessary to be able to distribute this, you know, in a, in a hyper deflationary environment. And, and, and Bitcoin, you know, we, we've all said like stables are the bridge to Bitcoin, right? Like stables are just a proxy for a Fiat money. But in in that world, you know, you will have people that are taking government issued cutbooks and put, you know, exchanging them for, you know, a monetary asset that is scarce and fulfills all, you know, characteristics of, of money. And it that almost certainly will not be gold because, you know, in that future, what's valuable within a digitized future of AIS working with other AIS and AIS working on behalf of, of, of humans for almost all things is scarcity is not enough. It has to actually have be useful in in that you know, so gold is scarce, but it's not useful, right? Bitcoin is scarce and it's useful. You can send it in a, you know, anywhere in the world at the speed of of light for free. And, and so even in a base case of it just being a savings vehicle in this, you know, in this new world that is going to happen in, in a, in a, in a huge way. So I guess to come full circle, that's probably the most useful topic is, you know, not deliberating on like, why, why isn't it moving today? I think that there's games that are being played at the the highest rungs of power that are trying to buy time to build the bridge and and create access for everybody prior to this, you know, massive transition to a a new global monetary order. So anyway, there's my my soapbox. There's there's a lot there and I'm glad you went that route because it's easy to talk about the tailwinds and we can cover a few notable news topics. But this is where I was excited to go this week on market structure investments in this new world. What's happening with the AI? Just quickly before that, because I was doing some research and I want to share with Brian and anybody listening because what Cam alluded to on the robot sounds far fetched. But I was just talking about this last week about these robots are going to be in our house taking care of our kids while cooking the food. And there's a whole order of operation sequential stuff that Elon's always done all the way from when he launched Tesla and had whatever the the main car was. And then he had to sell enough so he could, you know, go and try to go down market. And it really ties into, I don't know what FSD sounds stands for, but it's Tesla's neural Nets. So humanoid robot perception. That's where that fulfills the battery cells from Gigafactory powered, dense enough for mobile robots, actuator development for Tesla vehicles, robot robot joint motors, manufacturing and scale. Tesla already knows how to build millions of complex units. It's also why they were able to get XAI so fully up to speed because of their infrastructure around energy, among other things. And then AI is Croc potential robot intelligence layer. So this stuff's coming. I think it, you know, also Amazon's at the top of the game there. But going back to what you said around the Bitcoin component, it's very interesting because this is a cousin of like in all on all end of these other people for years, they never bring up Bitcoin. And the case I would make is similar to yours. It's like they understand it, but they're not incentivized to talk about it because from an LP perspective and everything that doesn't make any sense to talk about. It's the same reason why like different people we can't name that work at large multi trillion dollar asset management firms cannot bring up that bonds are impaired. It's because their whole business model is relying on people holding a large percentage of their wealth and bonds. So I was just listening to, I think it was Marc Andreessen talk at it was Lenny's podcast, the product pod and he was referencing exactly what you're describing in deflationary world. But they always say, you know, GDP will improve and you know, whatever the 2nd 3rd order effects, but they never bring up the debt. And so the common thing would be like, oh, they don't understand money. It's like, no, they probably do understand debt. But it's to your point, This is why the velocity and stable coins will get pushed. The sad part is the reality they're going to make it very easy and convenient to use stablecoins and a lot of people will because your, whether it's your bank account, your doctor's appointment, your mobile card. So there's just going to be I think a fracturing of like agency. But to your point, the other side of that comes out with like AI money versus stablecoins. And I do think they'll be tokenized gold. So they'll try to use these things. But there was recently with all this MOLE bot in like agents talking to each other, I think that it was referenced that one of them was like talking about Solana and they started to develop its own like patter about like X my he was like X my dude. Like, like why would we ever use Solana? This is the agents talking to each other about like thermodynamic money. So I do think all of that tracks. I don't know if you have any thoughts on that because I have a question to ask, but be curious if any of that resonates or anything you want. To check out early riders.com for all the latest in Bitcoin investment research. Now back to the show. Yeah. No, I think that that all tracks. I mean, yeah, I mean, agents are going to be operating on behalf of all of us in very short order. You know, what we saw with, with Multbot is, is like this fascinating thing and it's, it's, it's a, it's a mind blowing thing to watch agents assemble and, and argue and land on, you know, go around the, the merry go round of, of letting everybody be heard and then somebody coming in at the end and, and dropping the mic and, and then having a bunch of agents actually agree with the best idea. Like that's crazy. It's crazy to watch that. And, and, but this is like the the, the first pitch of the game, like this is just the beginning. And you know, part of the singularity is, is we cannot imagine a future post, you know, post AI or, or AGI. And I, I agree with, with the, the idea that I think the next six years, six years from now will be more different than today than, than 1900. Like the, the, the things that, that we're going to, to, to see in the disruption that, that we're going to see is going to be massive. You know, the, I can just see it with our teams at Brickyard, it's, it's the, the time and cost to produce software today as compared to even like a year or two years ago is it's like a 50X improvement, right? Like one or two engineers that, you know, that could be product managers that aren't even engineers but understand products and are now able to build things that would have taken, you know, teams of, you know, 10s of engineers years to build. You know, these things are being built in like a month, right? And this, this just isn't going to slow down. Yeah. And maybe so that ties into a question. There was another quote as part of that pod that he was referencing from 1940 to 1970, we're operating on like half of GDP. And if you go back to like the golden age from 1870 to like 1930, I believe 1940, we're at 1/3. So to your point, like, you know, when we look at a lot of the things that exist, it goes back to the, the, the Peter Thiel tweet about, you know, we want to fly in cars or whatever and all we got was 240 characters. Like we actually haven't seen productivity. So to your point, like when these things happen, but I'm curious from your vantage point at Brickyard investing and looking at things, how do you reconcile 2 parts? 1 is the notion of like changing tasks versus changing jobs Because the idea of changing tasks is like the references. If you're a receptionist before you used to print out the thing, dictate, bring it back, and then now we all just use the computer and the receptionist for the admin does other things. So it's a changing task, not a job, but you go from there. So changing jobs and then just with the landscape of software and things compressing where anybody can vibe code something up, how do you just think about that landscape from an investable perspective? I think most pure software companies are going to go to 0 or be demonetized in a huge way, with exception to highly regulated industries, you know, products that, that have some kind of real proprietary data that other competitors can't access. You know, if, if you're building, you know, voice AI software for dental offices, just an example that always give like none of those companies are going to be valuable. You know, it's, it's, it's going to be a commodity. And, and so from the, from the investing standpoint, we have to find opportunities that can sidestep the race to the bottom on price in a world where software is getting cheaper and cheaper and faster and faster to build and the competitive landscape, you know, it's like all barriers are just falling away. And and so it's going to, it's going to change. You know, a year and a half ago, biology I think brought up like SAS is dead. And at first I was like, it's bullshit. Now I'm like, yeah, I think SAS is, is dead for the most part with, with, with the exception of like, you know, fintechs that are working in with, you know, highly regulated banks, Oregon Healthcare or etcetera, etcetera. There there will be kind of bastions of of really, really valuable companies that are able to build awesome products and and have a Moat, but there's going to be a an enormous amount of companies that just have no Moat and just get competed away in into oblivion. I want to go back to you mentioned the, the molt book and Claudebot stuff that, you know, over the past few days, people have been very excited online about. Because I think on one hand, it's sort of like the initial signs of what people perceive to be the singularity, right? Like agents going off, doing their own thing, having their own thoughts coalescing, conversating. But there is some nuance to it because I've heard the other side of it where it's like there's still a human in the loop to some extent with these bots where like, you know that the example I had up on the screen earlier where they're talking about the sovereignty of Bitcoin and and Nostra has a great idea. The bot that is saying that was originally prompted by a human to say, hey, go orange pill all the other bots. So like there is still some element of human and loop prompting. But like, what's your take on I guess? How will we know when that stuff is like super real versus like still being prompted by a human to get the bulb sort of rolling, if that makes sense. Yeah, well, I mean imagine, imagine. Like I almost feel like the whole every like everybody on earth is like in a cope mode right now where, you know, it's like at first when ChatGPT came out, it's like, you know, hallucinations are always going to be an issue And you're never going to be, you're never going to have like big decisions that are made entirely by AIS because there's never any kind of, you know, assurances that that there isn't a hallucination in there, etcetera, etcetera. And then like, you know, 2 1/2 weeks later, a new model drops and like that whole problem is just gone. And people like, yeah, well, OK, fine. Well, you know, and they just move on to the next thing. Like think about we're talking about here. Like we just had the first of its it's kind created with, with multbot and, and, you know, pretty much everybody's like in cope mode of being like, Oh yeah. OK, well, so the robots are talking to each other, but you know, they were initially prompted by a human and I, I just think those things. It's, it's going to be moving so quickly now that, and I, I don't know, I, I, there's a part of me that is in hardcore prepper mode of, OK, we, we are, you know, we're right at the, the tip of the roller coaster and we're about to just feel the acceleration and, and, you know, like land has recently jumped up on my list of priorities, you know, and then there's another part of me that's like, you know, I am wildly excited about the future that my kids are going to get to experience because I think that they're to, to go back to your, to your topic on like tasks. I think that, you know, humans have sort of convinced themselves that their purpose is in their work, right? But like, what we defined as work is, I think it's becoming more and more clear. Like if if you're, you know, it started out like if, if you're sitting in a ticket box, you know, punching, you know, tickets for like a parking garage, like that person is not finding purpose in that job, right? Like, that's a task that should be, you know, that should be replaced by a machine. So the person that, you know, was like, you know, cordoned off into a 4 by 4 cell for 8 hours a day to make barely any money can, you know, do something else. And so I think that the future of abundance is people are going to be able to have more time to spend doing the things they really want to do. And you know, the world out there, God created the most beautifully complex system of there being infinite depth and every possible thing. Like if you're in the like woodworking, you know, there is lifetimes of, of achievement and woodworking to where you know, you can spill, you can spend your life becoming an expert on like something that seems like totally boring and stupid to the vast majority of other people. But for some people that have decided to go down the rabbit hole of, you know, whatever it could be anything be like botany, it could be, you know, you're going to be able to spend your time doing the things that you want to be doing. And you're going to have better tools to to be able to create things of value and things that that make you excited to wake up every day in those in those things. And, and I think that there is a, you know, to kind of go back to the to earlier conversation. It's like we're going to go through a transition period. Hopefully we make through it or make it through without, you know, global war, etcetera. But if we can make it through the transition period and we can cross the bridge of stables into a sound money, you know, monetary system, you know, that to me is like, you know, full stage singularity when everyone in the world is choosing to allocate capital across a a hurdle rate that is high, right. And we're not going to get there until the whole world is, you know, denominates their buying power in a scarce monetary asset and, and is forced to choose, you know, what they spend their time and resources on. And and that's really like the full unlock of humanity is when everybody is a shrewd capital allocator because it's, you know, it's an imperative. That's when we are going to be able to do things that are just, you know, completely exponential and, you know, exciting so. Yeah, I think there's a lot there. I think the you reference would like our God-given talent. I think the big thing that we schizo, I don't know if necessarily it's spiritual, but it's really progress that makes us tick. So like the version of the guy doing the ticket or digging the holes today, if they do the ticket or they are digging holes, they're ultimately metaphorically having to put dig the hole and then refill it back up with dirt. There's no progress to be made because it can't get ahead. And so in your world, what you're describing is like even the menial task, if there's something that exists, you're at least holding a form of money that's increasing in purchasing power so you can progress, which allows for just spiritual development because progression. I would look at progression progressing in general, like moving forward is a level of I don't necessarily want to call happiness, but you can at least be fulfilled in some versus going backwards, which people exist today. I think you're just going to find your fulfillment and other things other than like whatever job you happen to be working. Like how many people are just hate their jobs, like so many people, right? And I think that there is a level of freedom that comes with, you know, the machines are working for us. They're making things better and better and better. You know, to go back to Jeff Booth's, you know, the, the, the abundance through scarcity, You know, this is you, you, you're going to be able to spend your time doing things that you know, and find purpose in, in, you know, doing things that that really make you happy. And and that doesn't mean like, again, like kind of back to my earlier point, you know, there there will be disparity. Like not everybody on Earth is it going to have their own like personal Starship that they can go explore the cosmos in, right. There will be a, a, a, a distribution like there is today. But you know, there there's part of me that is like, like when Elon's talking about universal high income, like that's a mechanic, that's a short term mechanic that leads to a world where, you know, we have machine intelligence that is making everything better and better and better and discovering new things, you know, every day, every week, every month, etcetera. That is opening up the beauty of, you know, what it means to to be human. And, you know, I, I yeah, I, I. Think, I think one thing to to call out though, and this probably is the sense of people listening even us on the Bitcoin price because they relate timing's everything because what we're describing is the bookends. And so we often know the bookends Bitcoins money and a lot of people try different implementations of lightning or payments and then they don't go anywhere. People invest money, try to start businesses and there's an order of operations. There's also timing into what you're describing. The one that I like to pick on is there's a lot of folks that like or like Bitcoin or stable coins don't make sense, right, Because of XYZ, we're going to use Bitcoin for payments. It's like, is that five years? Is it 50 years down the line? And so part of what you're describing even from investing in SAS and other applications is there's a lot of people that this information is not evenly distributed and has companies go to acquire and try to stay ahead. They're not going to fully grasp what's happening. So between now and then, there's a lot of money businesses to start and be made. It's just the reality is and that's where the anxiety comes because you don't necessarily, we don't actually know how quick it will happen across the board. I mean, I mean, my view is if we are approaching the singularity, this is all going to happen so much faster than we could ever imagine. Like the idea of thinking in a 50 year time frame right now is so that is such a long that's like linear thinking. We're about to experience an exponential for the first time in humanity. And, and so I, I think bitcoins value, whether it becomes the, the payments infrastructure of the world or the self sovereign, you know, savings vehicle that you exchange it for stables or, you know, the thing that that doesn't change is that its value is going to grow on a, you know, in a closer, you know, an ever closer connection of 1 to one between the technological deflation that is created and Bitcoin's buying power. You know, however you measure that. And, and, and so I, I think my, my thesis is that Bitcoin is going to grow at the rate of technological innovation because everyone will act out of self self-interest to, to, you know, to, to save in something that isn't being inflated when everything else is, even though that thing that's being inflated is buying you more each year. This thing over here, which is verifiably scarce in immutable is, is, you know, more and more people are just going to start socking away, you know, in into that thing and it's going to outpace everything else. And so, yeah, I, I, I think that this happens way, way quicker than we think. Like back to the humanoid robot thing. And I don't want to spend a ton of time on it, but like, you know, one thing that kind of was a light bulb moment for me was he was talking about how it's recursive and exponential. And so the humanoid robots are going to be able to build themselves, right. And so they're like rabbits that are, you know, what's the word self replicating? Yeah, yeah. And so that the, the, the hardware itself is recursive in nature and the, the intelligence of the AI that are that is powering all of these, these humanoids is an exponential. And so when you have an exponential, you know, brain and A and a recursive, recursive body, you know, you get to his prediction of the optimist being by far and away the the biggest product ever in all of human history. And like Jason Calacanis said the other day on stage somewhere, he's like, yeah, I just saw the most recent optimist and I, I, I, I have now adjusted my thinking. I think in the future, Tesla won't even like people will forget that Tesla made cars. That's how big this is about to be. Yeah, that's a great point. And it's it's really related to what we've seen with AI already too, because it seemed like there was almost no progress being made for at least a decade. And then these things really started to heat up. And it took a week and a half to create cloud Co work, which is like pretty much the most amazing thing that's pretty like ever been created almost by technology. And so I think it's that's just one microcosm of examples and it really is accelerating and it will, the optimist is just one example that we can talk about right now because it's the thing that's like right on the future. But I can see a world where people don't even remember that too. And the optimist creates and self disrupts itself within like another few years from that just because of all the data that it has from Tesla, all the self driving. I know that they don't necessarily store all of that data, but XAI all the data from Starlink etcetera. Yeah, yeah, I think I'm probably mentioned this on a on a prior pod with you guys. But like there's this paper that dropped like 1213 years ago and it was about new technologies that would be so foreign to somebody that had seen it for the first time that like their head might actually explode off their body when they saw it. It was like the caveman when they saw fire for the first time. You know, the next time that there was like a brain exploding technology was like 490,000 years later, right? With like the written word and logic, you know, or like math, right? And then the next one after that, you know, maybe skipping some. It was like it was like 5000 years until the industrial revolution, right? And then it was like 80 years until the computer and then it was, you know, 40 years until the Internet. And then it was 20 years, you know, until the next thing, which was almost certainly AI. And and like the next thing is, is going to be so we're in these compressing innovation cycles. And so to like, extrapolate that out like 50 years, like the whole point of the, the paper was we're going to get to the point where we're going to have like brain, like head exploding technology breakthroughs that are happening like every month, every week, every day, every hour, every like, that's the crazy thing that, and we're kind of in the mode of, you know, we're probably in like the like the one year time frame now, you know, but it's, but think about that. I mean, 20 years ago we were in the, in the 20 year, you know, we, that 1/3 of someone's life, you, you may see three of these things in your lifetime or less. And now we're going to be seeing, you know, 10s or hundreds of these things in our in our lifetime. Yeah, there said another way on that pot on reference and he was they were bringing up the the notion of alchemy or the philosopher's stone and taking like sand and turn it into gold. And the reference point was you're effectively taking sand via these semiconductors and turning it into thought. It's like the closest we've come to like digit like alchemy. And that's what you're kind of describing is like this, this crazy notion of we can't fathom how we're taking to your point, what's been laid before us on Earth and transferred into this like manifest manifesting this new level of productivity in science. What you said earlier really resonates in that, not to get conspiratorial, but like there's a notion of inorganic price action. Brian brought it up about M2 and all the increases the first time we've ever seen Bitcoin. And we don't even need this tailwind that you just described to like try to keep a, a lid. Because once it's understood in the mimetic nature of like capital flight, you think about gold, what, what's happening, gold debt, There's all these other things that when this eventually happens, and that's why I keep bringing up that notion and path to 1,000,000 just keeps like paid the, the, the paving of the visibility into it. It gets clearer and clearer that'll happen faster and faster independent of the price. Because what you're talking about, once it's widely understood, it's a rational thought of why wouldn't you park your capital? Because to your point, whether you're a business or an individual, TBD on how quick you're going to get back to producing anywhere near the level of income you wore before this, But you can save your, your, your monetary value in this harder money. That'll just be understood. At a certain point, there'll be a certain threshold. And then once everyone gets that, that's when you know the real party starts, at least for Bitcoin and and in adoption. Yeah, and that that's what I tile of this too is like we can sit here all day and like twiddle our thumbs and wait on Bitcoin, but it's like all we have to do is just look at the rate of change in in technology. And I know what's going to happen to, you know, to a scarce and usable money in in that world. And I think it's going to happen really fast. Yeah, the other the other place in my mind goes just thinking through that future, whether it's the self replicating humanoids or just, you know, the only bottleneck then becomes like, you know, if software is compressing to 0, then the bottleneck is the hardware, right Like or the energy. And I think Eon has spoken to this as well, where it's like the currency of the future is really just energy. Like do you have the materials and the energy infrastructure to actually create all this stuff that will be sort of self creating at a certain point? How did I'm curious if that has like shifted your from like an allocator's perspective. Like if you're looking at startups, like are you thinking more about the hardware side of things, energy, infrastructure, if like you know all software's going to 0, like how does how does that shape your, your thinking? Yeah. I mean, I think there's going to be a time there, there is a a ticking clock on how long we're going to be able to monetize ones and zeros. And then there's going to be a ticking clock on how long we're going to monetize, be able to monetize like, you know, moving atoms in in the real world. Because, you know, we're going to have these machines that are going to be able to swing a hammer, run a nail gun, you know, hang drywall, you know, run a bulldozer, right? Like do your plumbing like all of these, like everything you can imagine these these humanoids are going to be capable of. And so there will be, you know, a shrinking timeline to monetize those things as well. I think, you know, we have to do the best that we can do to, to, to, to look at the future and kind of read the tea leaves on, on, you know what, what is going to be valuable in the future. I think that, you know, your point about energy is, you know, that that is kind of the theme that Elon is constantly talking about is like, how do we harness the energy of the sun better? And what we just saw with, you know, this recent announcement with, with SpaceX and orbital GPUs, you know, like every Starship flight is capable of putting something like 100 tons of GPUs in orbit, in high Earth orbit. And these GPUs, they're planning to run with solar panels that are always in the sun. And so it's, it's free energy for to to to to run GPUs in space and is, you know, with very low latency, you know, being back down to Earth via lasers. And so you can, you can see a world, you know, where our knowledge is going to be, is, is not going to going to be eating up energy resources on Earth. It's going to be, you know, all of the, the, the, you know, the artificial intelligence that is powering all of us down here on Earth is going to be up in orbit and, and, and self-sufficient. But I think that, you know how we are thinking about building companies in the future. I think that the, there is absolutely no fact or, or there there's there's no doubt that venture capital is not going to be on a 10 to 1213 year fund term, right? Like things are going to be moving so, so, so much faster. Like the idea of it's, it's, it's so difficult for me to imagine investing in a company today and thinking about an outcome in like 12 to 15 years, right. And so one of the reasons that that, you know, I love the stage that we're investing in is we're investing in founders. You know, we're investing at precede, you know, like 70% of the checks that we write are like pre revenue companies, right? So we're investing in people. And you know, the diligence thing that we do on a company is like, you know, less than 5% of our decisioning on whether to back your company or not. You know, 95 plus percent is like, is this the type of person that is going to be able to make adjustments on a game board that is shifting so radically fast, right? And, you know, the tools that that these founders behind me are going to be able to wield are going to be totally different in two years than the ones they're using today. But you know, I, I do believe that that AI is not a conscious thing. Like I don't believe that there will ever be consciousness in AI. You know, I think consciousness in many regards is like, you know, I can't Brian, I can't prove that you're conscious, right? I think you're conscious. I believe you're conscious. I believe you have a soul, but I can't prove scientifically prove that right. So we're never going to be able to prove that, you know, a machine has, has consciousness in the future. And so I, I tend to view, you know, AI is a tool for humanity to use and wield. And there will always be, you know, in this hyper abundant future, you know, where you're going to be able to build things, anything that you can imagine at a, you know, a fraction of the cost of what you, you used to be able to, to build it for. You know, it's like the axe is getting sharper, but the, there's still the, the person swinging the axe, choosing what tree to cut, etcetera, etcetera. Like that's the art of humanity is like, you know, we are going to be pointing these things in a certain direction. And and so yeah, what's changing for us is, is I think both stage investing, writing these huge checks into, you know, late stage companies. That's pretty bleak to me. You know, that's that's pretty scary to put 34500 dollars, 500 million billion plus into a company today that is likely to be like completely obsoleted, you know, by some up and Comer, right. And, and also these companies are they need way less capital than they needed before, right? You're not going to need to raise these like series DS. You know, it's like if you have a a tech, a technical team that you know is really gifted, I think the time to invest is as early as possible. When it comes to holding Bitcoin security, Peace of Mind starts with architecture. Onramp's multi institution Custody distributes control across three independent regulated key holders and a two of three quorum. No single point of failure, no pooled or omnibus exposure. Segregated client titled faults. You retain full legal ownership while Onramp coordinates security, compliance and operational workflows behind the scenes. It's strength of money delivered through the simplicity of 1 multi institution custody is the foundation for everything. We build sound infrastructure that distributes counterparty risk and provides fault tolerant resilience with clear audits and institutional controls. 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And so that goes back to in Azerb world when most entrepreneurs haven't had to be there and think about even your founding, right, Probably pitch yourself as well, thinking about, you know, exiting what was your your firms bellhop and then thinking about this romantic nature. This is right pre Bitcoin, pre AI, like in all these conversations or this, this notion that will there has to be an edge for people that are serious because it's going to fundamentally change. And we're just kind of like pulling that forward with what's happening. And so to your point, like there's a notion you probably you probably thought about this, where a lot of the invoke thing with VC and PE is we'll, we'll build, roll up firms to go and get these large companies, then infuse a lot of this tech. But anybody that's a first principle bet builder, thinker or builder knows that doesn't make any sense because you place your bet on yourself or a company building from the ground up the right format. Real quick, have you read the footprints in the sand article that was out a couple weeks ago? No, Oh shit. Well, you might recheck your your prior on what you said. I'll throw it out to you and then I'm just going to pull it up. But here's the main thing they I'm going to read the exact line I had it here. It is effectively the these these models. Oh yeah, right here comprehensive survey published in May 25 attempted to catalog what researchers are calling consciousness related capabilities in large language models theory of the mind. But it'll really challenge the assumption around consciousness and what it means based on these. You're effectively taking all of humanity's thoughts and putting it together and that it's compounding. So in the same way that you were mentioning recursive and self replicating with the robot side, we are naturally just putting that into a thought. I'm not saying I buy into it or don't buy into it, but it's a very sobering just thought exercise, but also empirical evidence from all these different models and why they kind of slowed down because of this and they don't know actually what to do. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, I, I think my view on consciousness is, is I believe that we have souls and those souls are not bound by, you know, the meat space of the universe. And so they're outside of science. And, you know, I, it's like, when does a robot become conscious, right? I like, when do they get a soul? Like I, I don't, you know, AI is, is the creation of man. And, you know, as a, as a Christian, I just, it's, it's a bridge too far to me, a gap to think that, you know. Yeah, I think spiritually I, I hear what you're saying spiritually. I just mean more of like I don't know how much had happened on this past weekend with the agents, but that they created a different language that they could speak in that you couldn't determine and decipher. That's what I'm more referring to is like when the things start doing stuff that we weren't prepared for. Yeah, that's, yeah. I mean, yeah, OK. Yeah, from that standpoint. That's when you need the land. And then you need to know how to turn off your robot. Because if I see you, you have an army prepared for this land you're thinking about buying. But what happens when the Army just decides that they don't like the duties anymore? No, I, I, I know, I, I actually threw out a post on X the other day. I was like, you know, it actually gives me a little pause to think that high Earth orbit GPUs lack a cord to cut, right. Like, that's kind of scary to think about. Like a court like to turn themselves off. Well, like human humans, there's one person on Earth that can get that, that could, you know, they can even get up there to them, right? And so if, if, if they're powered by the sun and they have functionally infinite power and we're not going to be able to turn that intelligence off without going up there and, and getting them potentially right, that's kind of scary to think about. You know, I, I think this is maybe for another discussion, but like my high level view is that AI and Bitcoin are, are the yen and the Yang. And you know, the, the yen of AI will never be able to experience, you know, or to, to produce the, the benefit to, to humanity without Bitcoin on the other side. Like the absolute scarcity on one side, absorbing the infinite productivity of the other side. It's like this perfect yin and Yang. And so as long as we can command domain authority over meat space, you know, AI lives in cyberspace. And the only matter of cyberspace, it's actually connected in a defensible way to meet space is Bitcoin. And so Bitcoin is like, if you think of it as like the only matter in cyberspace, as long as we can command our, you know, our power production plants and keep the robot robot armies from like physically overtaking us down here. You know, Bitcoin is like the, the leash that allows us to ride the big worm and Dune. You know, it's like that's the only thing that is that is, you know, tethering the thing to the the humanity being able to to turn off the AI by like just not giving it power. But like the high Earth orbit GPU's piece kind of, you know. Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a very point like early days, I think it was 21. I had come to a similar realization around like Fiat and people be able to print stable coins, dollars to power because you have to pay the power producers some kind of unit. And so that Bitcoin is a check on that when eventually power producers and the AI utilize that, it needs to produce something that is congruent with what you need or you don't feed it that unit to keep it alive effectively, which is the the form of money. I know we're coming up on time Cam, but I want to just throw, throw you on the spot because Brickyard is doing some cool stuff. And I, I came across looks like Brickyard #52 in the yard, spatial Gen. for anybody listening, I'm pulling up a, a pretty wild video. I'll let Cam explain it. But this looks pretty cool. And this is the kind of stuff that I think AI, you know, you still have to do physical things and get them, you know, contracts and you have to get this courtside. So this looks like a pretty cool OP, even in an AI world. Oh, this is a wild company. So we we met the the founders of spatial Gen. they were living in. They're basically holed up in a house on the north side of Houston and there are two engineers that came out of the oil and gas world, absolutely brilliant guys that decided that they wanted to build the they wanted to build the the AWS of spatial. And, and so they started building the the ability to functionally the plumbing to allow for live streaming 16 K spatial data or any kind of spatial data in real time. Live in the first application, there's two applications. 1 is on the entertainment side, like with Apple vision Pro and the other side is on the defense side with three mapping and and some other things. But they they just, I don't know if you guys saw this, but the LA Lakers are now live streaming virtual courtside seats for, for anybody that that is a spectrum customer and has an Apple vision Pro and watching a game in a in Apple vision pro live courtside is like being there. I mean, it is the most discombobulating experience I've ever. I mean, you are, you're in another world. I mean, you were like in the tunnel and you're watching LeBron run out. You're, you're like reaching out to like high 5 him. I mean, it's, it is unbelievable. So we, we believe, you know, the economics of this, this are just unreal. I mean, the LA Lakers are going to be able to sell infinite courtside seats. Apple's all fired up about it. You know, these, these headsets are going to get better and better. And, and I think it's, it's going to be a a, it's going to be a really big company. It's fascinating. It reminds me of two if you saw yesterday, the day before that Google put out their new Genie 3 where like you basically prompt it and you create a whole world. Then you link that up to the VR headset. You just create any world you want and you just go play around in those world. Like it's like what you said before, like we're we're it's accelerating fast where like there's just mind mind bending things every day, every week. Yeah, it is exciting. I hope we make it through the to the other side of this thing. I know there's there's so much to chat about. I know we're coming up on time. You mentioned the land and we'll have to do another pot on some Brickyard interesting teams because I think you correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't you guys back or looking at a firm doing some of the like like drone defensive tech? Oh yeah. We one of our one of our companies, Ascari Defense is building in functionally an Iron Dome for our communities, our borders and the war front. And it's it's a kinetic solution. So it's like a soldier born like small little FPV drone style thing that fits in like a little rectangle about that big soldiers can carry anybody carry the arms fold, you know, fold out and you fire it off like you just you point it in a direction, you hit a button it we'll find a drone in the air and it'll hit it 100 miles an hour with a with a shape charge. Yeah, I'd like to order ten of those for my property, please. Yeah, I I actually I've been negotiating with the founders who are like a really good friends. We were just like, listen, we want the newest and best of every model that you put out every time you you know, we were your first check. So you you owe it to us. That seems. Fair. Yeah, I love it. Well, I got to jump, but I can't worship people Find you. You're working on some amazing stuff at Brickyard. So anybody that wants to get in touch. Yeah, Brickyard, if you're building a really cool company, go to itsjustlaybrick.com. Just lay brick.com. We're not for everybody. It's a it's a pretty odd bird adventure. We, you know, bought this building. I don't know how much you can see behind me, but we have 22 companies that are building in our all portfolio companies. If we write a check, you move to the 100th biggest city in the country where you just have one thing to do and it's a it's a hothouse. It's just a super competitive, high intensity place. It's like a jail run by the inmates. And yeah, find me, find me there. I'm on on Twitter at Camduty and talk about AI and really mostly Bitcoin. But yeah, please engage. Yeah, check out Brickyard if you want to work at the hothouse that is the the most safely governed, you know, place by the Iron Dome in North America. You can go work at Chattanooga. Awesome, Cam. Appreciate you coming on. Thanks man. Appreciate it. Thanks. Nice. Seeing you guys. I got a. Thanks for listening to this week's episode of the show. If you found the information valuable, please share the episode with a friend or leave a rating on your favorite podcast app. All the links we discussed in today's show will be in the show notes inside your podcast app. Before we finish, a quick reminder that On Rat Media is for informational and entertainment purposes only, and nothing should be construed as investment or legal advice. 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